About 3 or 4 years ago, my dad started to talk about a russian car, that he wanted to rebuild a bit. The car was ZAZ 965 (based on Fiat 600). Since I like cars very much (actually too much), I bought one for his 40th birthday.
The original plan was to put in a better engine (instead of the original V4 with ~30 hp). My father thought about a Audi 4-cylinder engine, with a carburettor. Audi engines are the best because they're placed lengthways and a carburettor because it's easier to build without the catalyst. Unfortunately I ain't a big carb fan so I finally got him thinking of an injection engine (some enthusiasts told that an injection engine works fine without a catalyst). After that, a lot more options came available (with a lot more power). When I was in an Audi-forum, one guy who also had that car told that if he would do such a project, he would think of a 2.6 V6. So I again started to think what's the most powerful V6 engine from Audi - started ETKA, I found that RS4 B5 is also with a V6 (before I didn't even dare to think about so much power). Why not to use that engine?
Since a V6 requires more than a rebuild of the old car, we're going to build the car on a pipe-frame. The looks of a 965 will be passed on by almost the same wheelbase and other dimensions. The outside of the car would be a look-alike too.
Here are some pics of the car now and drawing of how the car would be like.
Right now we are trying to get the project through the Department of Motor Vehicles. That succeeded, it's time for picking the engine. I of course want the RS4 engine, my father thinks it's too powerful. I really would wan't to know, what do you think and if possible, maybe back it up a little?
Other thoughts are also welcomed.
And now to the last part. Since the project needs a lot of time and money I started to think about sponsors. Is it possible to find a sponsor to a project like this or am I too optimistic?
Regards,
Reio.
Senast redigerad av Rajareits den 2012-01-09 klockan 09:52.
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I dunno about the sposnors part but the rs4 (twin turbo) motor sounds like a great idea, but I can imagine it being way costly. I'd opt for some sort of 4 cylinder engine swap, a mitsubishi 4g63 motor is know to be potent plus they come with a fwd variation (aside the awd they're know for in the evos) and a pretty cheap, also a honda engine configuriation would be great as well as their motor are known for reliability just not much torque.
I think the V6 is a great idea!!The B5 engine is something like 415hp? (I can't remember) and so you possibly have a car weighing way under 1000kg's, maybe even 800kg's when finished??? My figures are probably wrong but ...
.. the Maths works out pretty well, I say go for it! :-)
I love the shape of that car also (except for the rear vents), it would be great to see this finished!! As for sponsors, I think you have more chance if you are building something original like this and then plan to race it, or show it somewhere very often... You have a good chance I think!
Sponsors obviously like to be seen, so it's just a case of planning your letter to them to explain how they would be benefit from helping you out.. local companies etc.
Good luck mate and keep us updated this is very interesting!
//J
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itsme4g63, thanks for the advice! Actually the main problem atm is the cost of a RS4, but I don't want a simple 2.4 A6 engine too.
A Mitsu engine is a nice thought too..
Johnathan, thanks mate!
Actually your figures are pretty much right (maybe just some more horsepower and less weight). The original car weighs 665 kg's. Of course the V6 weighs a lot more, but I actually don't have a clue if the new frame would be kg than the old one. But I don't think it will be a lot more... I like the maths too.. :D
The rear vents - what vents do have in mind? The side ones? God help us if we would keep them.. :D But if you think of something else, please say it out loud, we would be really glad..
About the sponsors.
Actually the car would mostly be a show-car (with a nice color and so on), and then a fast racer (when finished, I think I wouldn't dare to drive it). If I was a sponsor, I would definitely want to have a sticker or sth on that car but we don't. Is there a chance that a sponsor would accept something other, maybe something like our car in their tents or whatever?
And is there a possibility that I can get sponsors while building? After that I think it wouldn't be so important.
Power to weight ratios are all important in tuning :-)
1000 / 800kg's * 420hp = 525hp/tonne (I think I did that right, it's early!)
Anyways, yeah the rear vents, I presume you need them for the cooling or something with the engine in the back? Is the old engine air cooled by any chance, because you will have to sort out radiators at the back... so for this, I like classic vents! (attached below)
I think all sponsors want different thing, so you just need to find the right ones.. Most will want advertisement on the car in the form of stickers and logo's, but if you don;t want that, then maybe finding someone who can use the car in their own adverts for catalogues or other media etc.
The best way to do this is just write to them and then follow them up intently to make sure your email or letter was not filled under B.1.N .. lol. I think some will sponsor you while you build it with either parts of money for parts, but It's hard to say without knowing the people in your area and their advertising and sponsorship budgets.
P.S - I'll Drive it :-)
EDIT: I forgot the attachment:
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The old engine was air-cooled. The side vents are the first things going to be gone.. That's for sure. Just look at the drawings to see what the car would be like. The radiators will go to the front and the turbo intercoolers maybe behind the side grille (sorry, my English ain't that good, I mean things like that - http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elis...eremovedps.jpg )
The placing of parts is actually the biggest problem. That includes the cooling, exhaust and gas tank(s). By rough measurements it will fit. But how good if it will work, we don't know.
But what do you think about sponsors from abroad? In Estonia, people are usually pretty "tightwad" (but I'll try of course!).
Sponsors abroad are not going to be an option, Englands in financial crisis at the moment.
I think you should leave the side vents, to keep the car looking nice, its also my opinion though that you should keep the car looking compleltey original, even with a funny colour paint job, the fact that it has a mental engine is just for you to know, and other street racers to be embareessed at , street-sleepers are the best ;)
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That's a good idea, but no, not with this one. The first idea was to make a slightly modified ZAZ, that would be a good and a pretty fast cruiser. The idea of a powerful engine came later. But there are other reasons as well. The car itself is actually going to be only a place where we can get the shape and dimensions, nothing else. The current body just can't hold the V6 weight, not to talk about the cabrio. So it would be a lot more harder, maybe even impossible, than it now is. Even if you can solve the chassis problem, then comes to cooling problem. The original body ain't done for cooling such an engine.
But... There is a way, and maybe after that car, I'll even do it.. A good way to do a street-sleeper from that car, is a bike engine. With a bike engine, it would be very simple because it doesn't weigh and you can cool it too.. And what's most important, you could still keep the back seat.. :D
We thought about a bike engine too.. But with a bike engine, cruising is a bit complicated since it needs high revs..
EDIT:
Hoorayy.. The answer came back from the DMV. They gave us the regulations, luckily power ain't limited and that means green light for V6, hopefully the twinturbo. Only the gas emissions are regulated. I'm trying to check them out ASAP.
Senast redigerad av Rajareits den 2008-11-01 klockan 17:35.
