Still looks like every other Viper to me .. not too impressed.
Is it true those things are still running on a single camshaft & OHV!?
Thats Ancient Technology!
It's not about the design part too much... Vipers look great in my opinion and they simply don't want a radical change to Viper's design. It is the same story with 911 series at design part.
About Viper engine i know that is a huge block which generates a huge amount of power! The only bad thing that i heard about Vipers is their suspension. Maybe this model solved this problem too!
Yeah but the engines are not efficient or reliable (although the last part is only what i hear)
An overhead valve engine is always going to be less efficient. And is only good due to not having many belts to change. They Need to update its design and get with the 21st Century. Imagine what HP they could throw out of that as a stock reliable car if it had some proper cams and a some good rockers ..
lets try more then 2 valves per cylinder for a start!
Ford realized things were wrong with their V6 engines (Cologne and Essex in the UK) after they were not making 'real' power. Then along came the Cosworth 24v (quad Cam) bit of engine .. far better, smoother running and just more reliable.
Johnathan
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Yeah but the engines are not efficient or reliable (although the last part is only what i hear)
An overhead valve engine is always going to be less efficient. And is only good due to not having many belts to change. They Need to update its design and get with the 21st Century. Imagine what HP they could throw out of that as a stock reliable car if it had some proper cams and a some good rockers ..
lets try more then 2 valves per cylinder for a start!
Ford realized things were wrong with their V6 engines (Cologne and Essex in the UK) after they were not making 'real' power. Then along came the Cosworth 24v (quad Cam) bit of engine .. far better, smoother running and just more reliable.
Johnathan
I agree with all what you said, but with one amendment: i know that Viper engines are very reliable(not the other components such as suspension, transmission,..). It makes sense since the Viper has a big natural aspirated engine which produces a lot of power; so no turbo->less engine heat->longer life for the engine!
Yes the engine is a pushrod motor, just like the motors chevy throws into the corvette/camaro/any other sports car they make. Why are they using this 1950's technology? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" I guess that could be it. Alot of gearheads here in the states are accustomed to the whole pushrod scene, you wouldn't believe the money aftermarket manufacturers are making on these things. I agree that its a less effiecient motor, nothing can beat a good dohc. Also, the better thing about pushrod motors, is that they seem to generate a great amount of torque for some reason. Why dodge made the viper motor pushrod style boggles the mind. The car was designed in the late 80's originally when dohc technology was more than potent. Maybe they went back to their roots and noticed that they can only make proper pushrod motors? Also, did you know that till this day, the viper does not have any type of traction control? The only traction control it has are those fat 345's up back. With 600 lbs tq on tap, they might even have problems hooking.
Also, did you know that till this day, the viper does not have any type of traction control? The only traction control it has are those fat 345's up back. With 600 lbs tq on tap, they might even have problems hooking.
I think that this model has traction control. Another interesting fact is that the old Viper(not SRT-10) didn't have ABS!
Yes the engine is a pushrod motor, just like the motors chevy throws into the corvette/camaro/any other sports car they make. Why are they using this 1950's technology? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" I guess that could be it. Alot of gearheads here in the states are accustomed to the whole pushrod scene, you wouldn't believe the money aftermarket manufacturers are making on these things. I agree that its a less effiecient motor, nothing can beat a good dohc. Also, the better thing about pushrod motors, is that they seem to generate a great amount of torque for some reason. Why dodge made the viper motor pushrod style boggles the mind. The car was designed in the late 80's originally when dohc technology was more than potent. Maybe they went back to their roots and noticed that they can only make proper pushrod motors? Also, did you know that till this day, the viper does not have any type of traction control? The only traction control it has are those fat 345's up back. With 600 lbs tq on tap, they might even have problems hooking.
yeah - I do know what you mean. There has to be some reason they are still producing these, beyond our limited knowledge. And you can't ignore the fact it is sat at 600hp!! Stock!! Thats amazing..
Its just i remember some lads tuning some push-rod motors here in the UK. There were the V6 cologne Ford items fitted to the Capri. 2.8litre with a mere 150hp. They never responded well to tuning and some real modifications would only yield just over 200hp.
Obviously turbos changed that a lot, but this viper is N/A so that will do for this thread.
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yeah - I do know what you mean. There has to be some reason they are still producing these, beyond our limited knowledge. And you can't ignore the fact it is sat at 600hp!! Stock!! Thats amazing..
Its just i remember some lads tuning some push-rod motors here in the UK. There were the V6 cologne Ford items fitted to the Capri. 2.8litre with a mere 150hp. They never responded well to tuning and some real modifications would only yield just over 200hp.
Obviously turbos changed that a lot, but this viper is N/A so that will do for this thread.
I gotta say that motor has alot more in it, think about it, last years model was 8.2 liters and it had 515 hp and now its 8.3 and its at 600. I mean they aren't stretching the capability of that motor much, but with such a high displacement, they are easly able to pull of lots of hp and still keep the car not have an erratic racecar idle. Pushrod or not, this car would sell itself if it had a tiny honda motor. Just look at the way it looks. I bet 90% of viper sales are based on the looks itself.
yeah - I do know what you mean. There has to be some reason they are still producing these, beyond our limited knowledge. And you can't ignore the fact it is sat at 600hp!! Stock!! Thats amazing..
Its just i remember some lads tuning some push-rod motors here in the UK. There were the V6 cologne Ford items fitted to the Capri. 2.8litre with a mere 150hp. They never responded well to tuning and some real modifications would only yield just over 200hp.
Obviously turbos changed that a lot, but this viper is N/A so that will do for this thread.
Probably because it was a tiny pushrod motor. For some reason pushrod gearheads always want to punch out more cubic inches outta the engines. Like my friend, hes got a 04 pontiac gto (vauxhall monaro) with the 5.7 350hp in it. Always talking about how he would wanna have a 427 (7 litre) in it. I'm tellin him "man 5.7 litres is enough, if anything, its boltons or aps twin turbo for you. Believe me that much torque that the 5.7 whips out, the car can start in 3rd gear without it chugging or hesitating. Funny thing is, he drop a 06 gto (ls2 6.0 litre 400hp 400 tq), said it felt 10 times faster than the 5.7. Muscle car builders in general are cubic inch crazy. IF you ever wonder to car builder sites you'll notice how ridiculous the buildups get. Hell you can get built motors straight from GM www.gmperformanceparts.com , big blocks from the factory.
"the engine was tuned with the help of recaro of england"
:)) Obvious, it's got to be a confusion. The Viper seats must be Recaro, you can see this from the videos above! Let's face it, not the engineers writes this sort of text.
Pushrod or not, this car would sell itself if it had a tiny honda motor. Just look at the way it looks. I bet 90% of viper sales are based on the looks itself.
After finally getting to watch this vid, I'd have to agree with that statement.
